Poor People Don't Pay Enough Taxes - Senator Hatch

[The Ugly]

Do you think people who are genetically predisposed to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder have the same ability to be a successful business person then someone who doesn't?

Probably not. So?

Some people are fucked - what's that got to do with anything?

[The Abdominal Snoman]

A lot of very powerful people are sociopaths. Its est. that 1 out of every 25 people on earth are sociopaths. Read a little about how the sociopath's mind works and tell me that they don't have a huge advantage in a Capitalistic society. Not having the ability to care about another persons feelings etc. can make a smart sociopath robotic like.

http://www.cix.co.uk/~klockstone/spath.htm

[Mr. Magoo]

LOL so quality of work wouldnt matter then and type of work wouldnt matter?

LOL life isnt fair, who ever told you it was lied to your idealistic ass...

plenty of ppl have it a lot better than I did growing up bro, I busted my ass went to school got a degree, got a semi decent job and am now paying my way through an MBA program that I attend at night...

dont sit here and tell me that I should get paid the same as others who had the same opportunities i did and didnt do shit about it.

I didn't say life was fair. I said keep in mind I was talking about theoretically, not practically. I know life isn't fair, but that does not mean life should not be fair. In regards to your last sentence, I'm not saying you should get paid the same as them. In a socialist equality of opportunity (Term taken from G.A. Cohen), the ones who choose to stay home watching football and drinking beer will end up with less money and less wealth than someone like you who chooses to work. There would still be inequality, you will still be richer than football watching beer drinkers for example. But this inequality is based on choice, as opposed to Person X who has the same work ethic as you, etc, but because of reasons not due to his own choice, he winds up disadvantaged. I'm talking about what distribution should be morally permissible. This is theory, not practical, so all those "it doesn't work that way" comments are useless.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Probably not. So?

Some people are fucked - what's that got to do with anything?

A lot of people are fucked. And a lot of them are poor.

[The Ugly]

A lot of people are fucked. And a lot of them are poor.

And a lot of poor are fucked by their own foolish choices. An eight year-old can see this.

[Coach is Back!]

"If you live in America and are poor, its a life choice" - Jr.

100% CORRECT!

[Doug_Steele]

A lot of people are fucked. And a lot of them are poor.

yea, i know a chick who has two kids, refuses to work, not sure who fathered her children, but got $5k in "Earned Income Credit" and spent all the money on pills and refuses to pay her rent.   She chooses to be poor, but it was pretty funny watching her get evicted.   She was screaming, "Where's my money for my kids?"  

[The Ugly]

yea, i know a chick who has two kids, refuses to work, not sure who fathered her children, but got $5k in "Earned Income Credit" and spent all the money on pills and refuses to pay her rent.   She chooses to be poor, but it was pretty funny watching her get evicted.   She was screaming, "Where's my money for my kids?"  

It wasn't her fault. She was genetically predisposed to choose pills over rent.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

And a lot of poor are fucked by their own foolish choices. An eight year-old can see this.

One of the untold secrets about the homeless are that its est. that 70% have sever mental illness which goes untreated in a lot of cases. And certainly not by choice. What looks like foolish choices to someone who is in line and following the rules is something much more complicated.

[Mr. Magoo]

"If you live in America and are poor, its a life choice" - Jr.

100% CORRECT!

Even if you go to college, get a degree, study hard, spend 12 hours a day looking for a job, does not mean you will be successful.

A simple book that talks about this is Bait and Switch.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

"If you live in America and are poor, its a life choice" - Jr.

100% CORRECT!

You have an ex-wife who you say is mentally ill. Do you believe that's her choice or is it in her wiring?

[Doug_Steele]

It wasn't her fault. She was genetically predisposed to choose pills over rent.

Yea, you are right.   She was asking for Roxy's, Oxy's, Perc's, Clozapenem, Pot,..etc. This chick was always spaced out and would pass wherever she was at. I always heard, "I use to pay taxes and i deserve money for my kids."  

[Coach is Back!]

True, that why you start your own business.

[The Ugly]

One of the untold secrets about the homeless are that its est. that 70% have sever mental illness which goes untreated in a lot of cases. And certainly not by choice. What looks like foolish choices to someone who is in line and following the rules is something much more complicated.

Poor vs. homeless? We're talking working poor here, keep abreast.

[tonymctones]

I didn't say life was fair. I said keep in mind I was talking about theoretically, not practically. I know life isn't fair, but that does not mean life should not be fair. In regards to your last sentence, I'm not saying you should get paid the same as them. In a socialist equality of opportunity (Term taken from G.A. Cohen), the ones who choose to stay home watching football and drinking beer will end up with less money and less wealth than someone like you who chooses to work. There would still be inequality, you will still be richer than football watching beer drinkers for example. But this inequality is based on choice, as opposed to Person X who has the same work ethic as you, etc, but because of reasons not due to his own choice, he winds up disadvantaged. I'm talking about what distribution should be morally permissible. This is theory, not practical, so all those "it doesn't work that way" comments are useless.

LOL well in that case its an idiotic theory and doesnt work in theory either...

where is the drive to take risks in your theory? to innovate, invent and implement new ideas?

for the most part non existent, in your theory we would all basically still be in the dark ages. People create things and take chances to build it for the masses for the most part b/c of the drive to make money.

[Mr. Magoo]

LOL well in that case its an idiotic theory and doesnt work in theory either...

where is the drive to take risks in your theory? to innovate, invent and implement new ideas?

for the most part non existent, in your theory we would all basically still be in the dark ages. People create things and take chances to build it for the masses for the most part b/c of the drive to make money.

I sent you a PM talking about the economic side of the theory. I answered your question in it. I would suggest reading G.A. Cohen if you want more info regarding a socialist equality of opportunity. Your last sentence resorts back to the "is" problem. Just because People create things, take risks, etc, because of a greedy drive to make money does not mean it should be like that.

[tonymctones]

Even if you go to college, get a degree, study hard, spend 12 hours a day looking for a job, does not mean you will be successful.

A simple book that talks about this is Bait and Switch.

LOL thats b/c of supply and demand you know one of the pillars of business?

does supply and demand not apply itself in your fantasy world?

do businesses always make exactly what the demand will be? LMFAO

[tonymctones]

I sent you a PM talking about the economic side of the theory. I answered your question in it. I would suggest reading G.A. Cohen if you want more info regarding a socialist equality of opportunity. Your last sentence resorts back to the "is" problem. Just because People create things, take risks, etc, because of a greedy drive to make money does not mean it should be like that.

LOL ok lets look at it from this angle then...

what makes you think it should be fair and that it would be better if it was fair?

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Yea, you are right.   She was asking for Roxy's, Oxy's, Perc's, Clozapenem, Pot,..etc. This chick was always spaced out and would pass wherever she was at. I always heard, "I use to pay taxes and i deserve money for my kids."  

She's an addict. She will say anything. Kids should be taken away. Mental illness and addiction go hand and hand. Maybe if she knew about her mental illness years ago, she might not have had kids and put a stop to the cycle.

[The Ugly]

Just because People create things, take risks, etc, because of a greedy drive to make money does not mean it should be like that.

Yes it does. Their greed benefits us all.

[Mr. Magoo]

LOL thats b/c of supply and demand you know one of the pillars of business?

does supply and demand not apply itself in your fantasy world?

do businesses always make exactly what the demand will be? LMFAO

Coach said that being poor was purely by choice. I said even if one had the complete opposite choice (They choose to try to better themselves by going to college, etc) then it is not a guarantee for success. Therefore Coach's point about being purely choice is invalid.

[The Ugly]

She's an addict. She will say anything. Kids should be taken away.

Why? She had no control over the situation. Punish her for bad genes, I don't get it.

[Mr. Magoo]

Yes it does. Their greed benefits us all.

I disagree with "all". Their greed does not benefit all. It benefits only some while hurts the disadvantaged.

[Coach is Back!]

Poor people that come from other countries? (Legally)

[The_Leafy_Bug]

REPEAT AFTER ME -

UNTIL OBAMA ADMN IS OUSTED FROM OFFICE THINGS WILL ONLY GET WORSE







I talk to dozens of business people daily, the job creators, and they are on strike and in turtle mode until obama is ousted from office.   He is like a black plague over the nation, no pun intended. 

Really? Because i work at Walmart Corporate and im seeing a hiring frenzy. Not only in my dept but in the entire company.